Do people on this post see this, fogchild your one liners are enough, why ask for what is already given? is your question. Your testimony is you were owed the essentials. By this you show your not really thankful. If i speak the truth, then you can say I love much, but if I lie you can say I hate much. You use the word obey, but are not sure what that means. If you did, you would surely know what tough love means! Because your experiencing it right now. You would love to be reproved, but your arguing. Let me guess, you hate fire and brimstone sermons to. then you hate jesus! Once again I tell you, If you truly obey jesus, you love everything he says. I mean you sound like a little kid, I can have anything I want! You have been feed a bunch of lies. Notice you always leave out if it be the lords will, because it's your will. Your words cannot hide from those who know the truth. let me ask you this? look around your house and garage, do you see anything you bought on credit? then you have testified against yourself. God's will for his people is that they don't borrow material things on credit! So you blind guides, borrow and borrow and say your blessed. you lie! reproof is love consider this yours, Im no exception and I know it doesn't feel good. as you should also know a enemy kisses you many times, but a friends wounds are faithful. we all get reproved for you should also know it's the way of life for the believer. And those who love the truth love to be reproved. sometimes it comes from chastisement from god, sometimes it comes from god through another believer, sometimes it comes from sitting down and reading and listening to god through your bible.
We're "angry" (better said: adamant) about this subject because I used to believe in Word of Faith ... and my family nearly starved, and we ended up living like animals on the street because I couldn't TELL anyone I had a need ... THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NEGATIVITY! My daughter left the faith and wandered in and out of things like witchcraft and dungeons and dragons for twenty years because of her experiences with me in WoF. People get caught up in this garbage and when they "confess" something and it doesn't happen for long months and maybe years, they become convinced that God lied in His word and can't be trusted. In reality, GOD WILL HEAL WHO HE WANTS TO HEAL WHEN HE WANTS TO HEAL THEM AND SOMETIMES THAT JUST ISN'T IN HIS PLANS. If that isn't the case, then why are WoF'ers (leaders of the movement) still dying of illnesses and diseases? (Dottie Rambo suffered for years with degenerative bones before her death, the editor of 'Charisma' magazine died of cancer, etc.) ... and if you can "make up your mind" that you won't suffer anymore WHY DO SO MANY WoF'ERS STILL WEAR GLASSES, CONTACTS, HEARING AIDS, ETC???? Forget it ... even the WoF'ers who have been in it for years still suffer from illnesses and afflictions. We're made of flesh and the flesh is often weak ... and when GOD wants He heals us ... and when He doesn't ... HE DOESN'T
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"I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to His holy people." Jude 3 Joyce
Deuteronomy 28 - Obey, get blessed. DO NOT OBEY - evil (bad). I can't quite figure out why you are so angry with people that believe the word of God. I am blessed by the knowledge and relationship I have with Him. I believe what Jesus did for me and what my Heavenly Father says I can have. I hope more people trust Him and His word and strive to have a personal relationship with Him. I hope they find peace and joy... and not worry and illness or the evil things of this world.
Fogchild, my words will be strong, because you have shown me name and claim it and your illustration of money on depression post. Time for theology 101, Do you think evil is good? How about Isiah 45:7, the lord forms light, creates darkness, he makes peace and he creates evil. amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in the city and the lord hath not done it? also, read lamentations 3:37,38. Now, I know for a minute this a theoligical disaster for you. But you love judgement don't you. judgement saved my soul for eternity. That's why you should love it! It saves souls. You have fell to believe the lie that suffering is not from god. You have fallen to eliphaz, bildad, zophar, and elihu herectical lies that if a person is poor, stricken with disease, family has died, lost there house. they must be a sinner, or unconfessed sin or not enough faith, they said job, job you have sinned against god! wrong! the lord rebuked his friends for saying the very same thing your saying now! The amazing thing is you speak on gods behalf, yet you say the same thing! I 100% assure this is not the gospel that saves the few! Can you wake up from the beginning of judgement now taking place, america preaches prosperity while that prosperity is being taken away. that's sickening! The lord sends judgement, people are losing there homes, jobs, etc. and churches are teaching prosperity? Since you cannot see this, you will not take heed to my words! but I won't be guilty of not trying. Correctamundo... Life and death are in the power of the tongue. That's right and your words are the spokesman of your heart and your mouth can assist in saving and keeping some souls saved. My question is what do rich people preach to other rich people, oh wait I know, more money. What can I compare this teaching to, death by lethal injection. The scriptures I showed you might disturb you for a little while. If you love the lord then you love judgement. Yes, what your saying is part of it for the believer who has seeked the kingdom of god first and then you will have the essentials in life. not an extra car to show off for the weekend or a pair of shoes to color coordinate with every outfit! or 3 leather coats, not excess that's the point. most americans have the essentials. The sinner who was just saved, this message will quickly destroy them. to believe and learn I was evil, now I repented these people are telling me. I get something now. Yeah god I love you, what can you do for me now. Do you want your kids to love you for what you can do for them? Or cause there your father or mother?
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Jesus said... you shall have whatsoever you say. With long life I shall satisfy you. Ask and it shall be given you. Death and life are in the power of the tongue.... (Solomon). He gave each the same measure of faith - all things are possible to them that believe. Stop blaming bad things on a good Heavenly Father. Kill, steal and destroy are works of satan and satan only. Not every christian will get the same from God.... but that isn't His fault. It is ours...what did WE (I) do with our (MY) measure of faith given us (ME)? Some excel in health, peace, joy, protection and prosperity. Others, not so much in some or any areas. Not bad God or bad teaching. Maybe more time needs to be spent in the relationship we have with God and less time spent "bashing" people that actually do something with their measure of faith. Thank you Lord for blessing us... for you love us all the same.
To all who name it and claim it and give god license to answer you, Oh, you have not considered much and don't know who you have shut the doors of heaven on. Have you considered the end of your life in this flesh and your deathbed, What will you claim then! will your followers say, I guess it was just his time to go and the lord decided to take him now. When your fear comes upon you in that day, what will you say, when you pray to live and you die, your not worried about an explanation to your followers are you? because you'll be dead. What will you say when doctor says you have 6 months to live, but you live years beyond that, you will say gods glory was shown. but if you die in 6 months like the doctor said. Will your followers say gods glory was shown because his faith was unshakeable on his/her deathbed? So which will it be, you will say one or the other. which side will you pick in that day, no matter which you testify against yourself. You say how do I testify against myself, wake up your testimony contradicts itself. In that day you will lack judgement and mercy for those you condemned for this, but say to your preacher blessed was he. You show your trust is in a man. not god. Do you not think you'll ever be on your deathbed? You have not considered that you will like die men! Your pride has lifted you up and you forgot your testimony and the lord who bought you. You and the leaders have not considered jesus warning against christian preachers. Most are false! you are not listening to the voice of the few. Name it and claim it and prosperity teachers you are the many! Wake up those who see growth and say the lord has blessed us! Drug dealers bank accounts grow too. The rich get richer, what's your point! Do not forget they day you were purchased. You didn't do it. You just accepted. know that some will be rich, some will be in the middle and some will be poor. some will be blind, some will be in a wheelchair, some will die of cancer, heart attack and old age. and a freak accident. Consider, the blind man who says, I will not blame god for this. wow, what faith! Consider the one in a wheelchair, who grew up with kids laughing at them and they say, I will not blame god. That should be sign enough for you. So when we stand in front of the judge of the world, And you say we did many miracles in your name, and he says depart from me you worker of iniquity. then we will see justice served when you see the handicapped and the sick you condemned enter in! Yes, healing and growth are all part of it. But we are neither condemned or justified by these. so focus on the weightier matters just like jesus says. for the record, i am not rich or poor, and have been in good health up to this day.
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