OH AND BY THE WAY.... REGARDING SO CALLED "WORD OF FAITH TEACHERS" JESUS WAS A "WORD OF FAITH TEACHER" AS HE WAS AND IS "THE WORD" JN CH 1 AND SPOKE THROUGH PAUL THAT WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD.
RESPECTFULLY, I WAS ADDRESSING MR. WISE, NEVERTHELESS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF THIS WEBSITE SLANDERING AND ACCUSING ANNOINTED MEN AND WOMEN OF GOD THAT HAVE DONE MORE TO BRING SOULS INTO GOD'S KINGDOM THAN PERHAPS YOU AND I WILL EVER. SPECIFICALLY, I WILL ADDRESS THE ISSUE AS IT REGARDS REV HAGIN SR
I READ YOUR REPLY AND RESEARCHED THE SITE AGAIN FINDING THE PAGE ON KENNETH HAGIN SR.
I SEE WHERE THE AUTHOR OF THE ACCUSATION CLAIMS/PURPORTS THAT HAGIN MADE THE CLAIM THAT "WE ARE LITTLE GODS" BUT I SEE NO QUOTE FROM EITHER BOOK OR TAPE MENTIONED ON THAT PAGE.
HELP ME SO I MAY LEARN, BROTHER, WHERE ELSE ON THE SITE MAY I GO TO SEE EVIDENCE OF THIS STATEMENT BY REV. HAGIN.
REGARDING PROSPERITY
PAUL WROTE IN CORINTHIANS THAT JESUS DIED AND BECAME POOR SO THAT WE MAY BE RICH. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THIS APPLIES TO PROSPERITY THEN EXPLAIN WHY JOHN WROTE BELOVED I PRAY YOU PROSPER (FINANCIALLY) AND BE IN GOOD HEALTH (PHYSICALLY)...EVEN AS YOUR SOUL PROPSERS (SPIRITUALLY).
DOES A BLESSING YOU CANNOT CONTAIN IN MALACHI MEAN WE ARE TO BE POOR? HOW DOES IT BLESS MY BROTHER IF I CANT PAY MY RENT? LUKE WROTE GIVE AND IT SHALL BE GIVEN UNTO YOU PRESSED DOWN SHAKEN TOGETHER AND OVERFLOWING.
JESUS RECEIVED EXPENSIVE GIFTS! MARY MAGDALENE POURED OUT $15000 WORTH OF OIL TO ANNOINT JESUS' FEET FOR RAISING HER BROTHER FROM THE DEAD. IT WAS JUDAS THAT SAID HOW MUCH OF A WASTE THAT WAS AND THAT THE OIL COULD HAVE BEEN SOLD AND GIVEN TO THE POOR. (SO HE COULD HAVE STOLEN FROM THE AMOUNT AS THE SCRIPTURE SAYS) WHY DO SO MANY "CHRISTIANS" QUOTE JUDAS LIKE HE WAS JESUS AND JUDGE OTHERS WHO PROSPER BY SAYING...WHY THAT OUGHT TO BE SOLD AND THE MONEY GIVEN TO THE POOR. SEEMS LIKE A PERFECT TIME FOR JESUS TO TEACH AGAINST WEALTH AND PROPERITY...BUT HE DID NOT ACCORDING TO THE WORD.
REGARDING HEALING
I SAW ON REV HAGIN'S PAGES MORE THAN A COUPLE QUOTES COMPLETELY TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. LISTEN FOLKS...GOD IS A GOOD GOD AND THE DEVIL IS A BAD DEVIL. GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF SICKNESS AND DISEASE. HOW CAN A HOUSE DIVIDED STAND? WHEN JESUS WAS ASKED IF YOURE WILLING I WILL BE HEALED...HIS REPLY? OF COURSE I AM WILLING BE HEALED...GLORY TO GOD!! JESUS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR OUR REDEMPTION ONCE AND FOR ALL ON THE CROSS. HE WAS PIERCED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS BEATEN FOR OUR INIQUITIES...AND BY HIS STRIPES WE HAVE BEEN HEALED!!!
THE PROBLEM IS THAT DENOMINATIONS AND THE TRADITIONS OF MAN HAVE MADE THE WORD OF GOD NULL AND VOID. HAGIN IS RIGHT...I WOULDNT WANT TO SERVE A GOD THAT WOULD WANT ME SICK...BECAUSE THAT "GOD" IS SATAN. SO TAKEN IN CONTEXT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAGIN MEANT BY NOT WANTING TO SERVE A "GOD" THAT WOULD PERMIT SICKNESS AND DISEASE. GOD DOESNT PERMIT SICKNESS AND DISEASE...WE SIMPLY LACK FAITH AND THE KNOWLEGE THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN AUTHORITY OVER SICKNESS AND DISEASE AND ALL THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL (MATT 10:1, LUKE 10 , EPH CH 1,2,3) MARK 16 AND THESE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THOSE WHO HAVE BELIEVED...READ IT YOURSELF...WE ARENT DOING IT!
THE POINT IS NOT FOR US TO HEAP RICHES UPON OURSELVES THE POINT IS TO BE LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVING WHERE HE SAYS GIVE AND YOU CANT DO THAT OUT OF AN EMPTY WAGON. THE WEALTH THAT COMES FROM GOD'S BLESSING HAS NO SORROW ATTACHED TO IT. (ISAIAH)
REGARDING THE FALL
THE DEVIL OFFERED JESUS THE WORLD IF HE WOULD BOW AND WORSHIP HIM. JESUS DIDNT CORRECT HIM. THE WORLD MUST HAVE BEEN SATAN'S TO OFFER. SATAN IS REFERRED TO AS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD.
THIS LENDS TO HAGINS CONVICTION THAT ADAM DID THROUGH COMMITTING HIGH TREASON (SIN) HAND THIS WORLD OVER TO THE DEVIL. GLORY TO GOD...JESUS BOUGHT IT BACK THROUGH HIS BLOOD FOR BELIEVERS!!!
MOREOVER GREATER THINGS SHALL YOU DO!!! (JOHN) FREELY YOU HAVE RECIEVED FREELY GIVE, HEAL THE SICK AND RAISE THE DEAD!!!
HOW CAN THAT BE...WE'RE NOT LITTLE GODS...BUT WE ARE MADE IN HIS IMAGE AND JESUS HAS GIVEN US HIS HOLY SPIRIT (YOU FOLKS DO READ ACTS DONT YOU?) AND AUTHORITY OVER EVERY ACT OF THE DEVIL IN HIS NAME. THUS WE HAVE THE SAME POWER THAT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD LIVING INSIDE US "TOWARD US WHO BELIEVE" (EPH CH 1, 2, 3)
WE DO HAVE JESUS' HOLY SPIRIT LIVING INSIDE US...WOW MAYBE THATS WHATS BEING TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT REGARDING THE YET UNDOCUMENTED "LITTLE GODS" ACCUSATION...
REGARDING NAME IT CLAIM IT
WHAT IS IT ABOUT LIFE AND DEATH LYING IN THE POWER OF THE TONGUE THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND!?!
GLORY TO GOD THANK YOU FATHER FOR UTTERANCE
***ps...PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS REPLY WAS HAMMERED OUT QUICKLY BY THE INFLUENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT...SO SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC REGARDING CHAPTER AND VERSE
IF YOU WOULD PAUSE IN YOUR BOMBASTIC ARGUMENTATION LONG ENOUGH TO RESEARCH WHAT REV. WISE HAS COLLECTED IN ANOTHER AREA OF THIS WEBSITE, YOU COULD SEE FOR YOURSELF THAT HAGIN, ALONG WITH COPELAND AND MANY OTHER SO-CALLED "WORD OF FAITH" TEACHERS HAS BEEN TAPED SAYING THOSE EXACT WORDS ... "WE ARE LITTLE GODS" AND/OR HAVE WRITTEN THOSE EXACT WORDS IN BOOKS THEY HAVE HAD PUBLISHED.
Just because it sounds good, looks good, feels good or even DOES good does not mean it comes from God. Jesus condemned those who came to him asking him for a sign, "A wicked and a perverse generation seeketh after a sign but I say unto you no sign shall be given them except the sign of Jonah," (Matt. 16:4) He also warned that, "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never new you. Away from m, you evildoers!'" (Matt. 7:22-23 NIV). Notice he doesn't say the "miracles" didn't work ... he simply ascribes those miracles to another source ... just as he does when in Matt. 24 when he tells of those who will come saying "here is Christ or there ..." and they will perform great signs and miracles to deceive many people (and even the elect if that were a possibility).
Miracle doesn't equal Holy in God's equation ... so, read from the rest of this board and THEN answer.
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"I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to His holy people." Jude 3 Joyce
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THESE ATTACKS ON KENNETH HAGIN SR REFLECT A LACK OF CONTEXTUAL VERACITY AS WELL AS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF BIBLICAL PROSPERITY AND FAITH TEACHING REFLECTING THE BELIEVER'S AUTHORITY. (WHICH HAGIN GAVE MACMILLAN FULL CREDIT FOR IN THE PREFACE OF HAGINS BOOK)
I AM NO BIBLE SCHOLAR...BUT I KNOW THE WORD. I AM NOT IN THE FIVE FOLD...BUT I KNOW MY LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. FAITH TEACHING THROUGH DAD HAGIN'S MINISTRY HAS BLESSED ME AND THOSE I HAVE LAID HANDS ON AND SEEN HEALED BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SAYING HAGIN TEACHES/TAUGHT THAT WE ARE "LITTLE GODS" PLEASE EXPLAIN. JESUS GAVE US HIS AUTHORITY MATT 10: 1, EPH CH 1-3, LUKE 10 ETAL..."GREATER THINGS THAN THESE SHALL YOU DO" "FREELY YOU HAVE RECD FREELY GIVE" (I AM PARAPHRASING HERE BUT YOU GET THE GIST) "HEAL THE SICK, RAISE THE DEAD" WE HAVE BEEN MADE IN GODS IMAGE. BUT THAT IS NOT TO SAY WE ARE LITTLE GODS. WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN JESUS' SPIRIT. BUT THAT IS NOT TO SAY WE ARE LITTLE GODS.
I HAVE LEARNED NOT TO DEBATE GOD'S WORD...BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO SHOUT DOWN MEN LIKE DAD HAGIN WHO THROUGH A LIFE OF SERVICE AND BEING LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN LITERALLY THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF SOULS SAVED AND BAPTISED WITH FIRE...THEN BROTHER YOUD BETTER BE ABLE TO DEFEND YOUR ACCUSATIONS...NOT TO ME... BUT TO THE LION OF JUDAH!
