Forgotten Word Ministries Blog

Thank you for your kind words...it's a blessing to serve the Lord. 

Tobiah wrote: Mathew 24:23-24...come on, you're clearly taking that out of context. Jesus is clearly talking about the end times and the second coming.

Matt. 24:4-8
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ, and will deceive many. 6You
will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not
alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Tobiah, I don't know how old you are, but would you agree that verses 5-7 have been happening for the past generation, and the past 15-20 years with increasing intensity? Jesus said all those things are the beginning of birth pains; and because Jesus doesn't use words without a purpose, it makes sense to me that He would use "birth pains" because labor is process and pains increase in frequency and intensity.

You missed out on Jesus manifesting himself and his power in some meetings. If those ppl judged you are looked down on you then they are wrong. Don't condem the whole works of the Spirit in these days or you are gonna keep
missing out.

Actually, I don't think I missed out on anything except a car ride and some fellowship; and that was my point:  when we seek the Lord with our whole heart, He will be found.
Time proved, however, that most were just talk. I heard one woman talk about giving a "courtesy fall" in the prayer line so the guest speaker wouldn't be offended.

I'm not disagreeing with having special meetings, and often the Lord's Spirit is at the heart of them.
But if someone in your church, for example, needs healing but physically can't get to a healing service, does that mean that God's arm is too short to reach
them wherever they're at?

Remember jesus talking about a house divided can not stand? How can the devil or his angels cast out devils in Jesus name and give glory to Jesus? Then save them and baptize them into the name of Jesus?

It wasn't my idea.

2 Corinthians 11:2-4 (NIV)

Paul and the False Apostles

 2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.
 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we
preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

Matthew 7:21-23 (emphasis is mine, both here and above)
 21 Not every one that says to me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 22 Many will say to me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
 23And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

In verse 22, who are the "many" who thought they served the Lord? Seems that whoever they are must think they are serving the Lord today and aren't concerned about hearing Jesus say "depart from me".

So the devil is into building Jesus' kingdom now too?

No...but he's into building one that can look like it (that is, to whoever doesn't truly know Christ). And the more church-goers he can deceive, the better. But a church-goer isn't going to pay much mind to something obviously satanic.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (emphasis mine)
 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of
righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Btw..i can't recall any place in the Bible when someone entered into the presence of GOd and didn't fall down repenting? Yea, they were probably rolling on the ground all crazy too.
Maybe try opening your hearts instead of closing them. Let you spirit discern instead of your brain.

Falling down in response to God's manifest presence is not the same, I feel, as rolling on the ground or crawling/barking like a dog.
In 1 Corinthians 14:23 where Paul speaks about refraining to speak in tongues for the sake of the unlearned or the unbeliever, how much more should irregular behavior be refrained in a service?
 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?

I've seen sound warning about not letting your brain be in a passive state while subject to spiritual influence.
2 Timothy 1:7 shows us what God gives:
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
But a blank mind is what evil spirits need.
I've "gone down" in the spirit many times...told to let my thoughts go. I've had both good and bad experiences; I remember times where I would pray silently, "Lord, if this is not of You, please protect me."
And He has. Why did I subject myself to it? Because [with my understanding at the time] there was enough "God", that I didn't want to miss out.

Re: authority...one with true authority doesn't need to flaunt it. Jesus has all authority; yet He never did anything He didn't see His Father doing...He didn't take His authority and act on His own accord. 

One more thing (and I'm only addressing this because there's a check in my spirit...it's not meant to be picky or provoke): 
How does "Christian" = little Christs? Doesn't it mean "Christ-like"? To me, there's a difference.
The Greek word for Christian is "Christianos" and means "follower of Christ".

Blessings to you,
angeljoymom

-- Edited by angeljoymom at 15:18, 2008-09-20

Remember jesus talking about a house divided can not stand? How can the devil or his angels cast out devils in Jesus name and give glory to Jesus? Then save them and baptize them into the name of Jesus?

So the devil is into building Jesus' kingdom now too? No, I think you are just like the pharisees. You study the word but when God shows up in front of you can't see it. Jesus would give you a firm rebuking. But I'm just going to pray for you.
I pray for the mantle of humilty to rest on you. Just because God does something that you wouldn't do doesn't mean its not from GOd. THat would be a God made in your image, but you were made in God's image. Becareful worshipping an idol there guys.

Btw..i can't recall any place in the Bible when someone entered into the presence of GOd and didn't fall down repenting? Yea, they were probably rolling on the ground all crazy too.

Maybe try opening your hearts instead of closing them. Let you spirit discern instead of your brain.

dunamis wrote:

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Glad you took time to research Todd Bentley. Maybe you should research the people whose lives were permanently changed because they were healed from MS by the power of God at the FL meetings...or some of the people in the streets nearby that were saved and gave their lives to Christ from the power of the meetings. The fruit seems to be good. Some people show up to these and get carried away in the emotion, but oh well...their doing. Maybe we should have more faith in Gods Spirit to lead us than the enemies ability to deceive. Last time i checked Jesus said "all authority has been given to me..." that means someone else has none. In the Bible God spoke and some only heard thunder and dismissed it. If my Gods moving or speaking, i don't want to miss it.
Blessings.

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I went to a church that was heavily influenced by the Toronto blessing.  I remember being in prayer group before the service when people came back from Toronto...the physical manifestations that remained with them were obvious.
At the time, I didn't know whether it was "right" or not; I was uncomfortable, but figured I was the alien.
People chased after conferences and special meetings...saying God was "moving" here or there, or that "God showed up".
I couldn't go to these meetings and always felt left out and that I was "missing out" on God. I let the "missing out" get to me. Even more so, some in church began to "mark" me because I wasn't "where they were at" in God.
It frightened me [at the time] that I wasn't in the "same place".

After awhile, this began to not line up with what I knew of God's Word and I posited that if God wanted me to have something for my spiritual growth, He would lead me to it and that it would be directly from Him. And that became my profession to my brothers and sisters. [I'm not in that church anymore, but have beloved brethren there. They were following Lakeland.]

There's nothing wrong with corporate gatherings. However, to declare that we need to be there or we'll miss out on God...hmmm...
I don't want to add to scripture, but it sounds like Matt. 24:23 can be applied...for don't some denominations or specific-doctrine-influenced groups each think they are the ones who are right and "have Christ"?

Matthew 24:23-24
 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

It grieved me that people thought they had to physically go to Lakeland and bring back the anointing.
If it was something needed for the Body, I believe God would have assured His children were supplied; I believe that we won't "miss out on God" BECAUSE of Philippians 4:19
 19But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
Although addressing the physical, I believe it applies to the spiritual.

 

 

 

 

"I would encourage you all to search the scriptures for yourselves and not just take Bentley or any other faith healer at their word. Satan can manifest himself as an angel or light so its no wonder that his ministers can manifest themselves at as ministers of light... Dont ever forget the warnings that Jesus gave us before he went back to the Father.

We have the Bible for a reason, not studying it is a sin, period."

The message here is clear ... "search the scriptures for yourselves and not just take Bentley ..."  of COURSE search the scriptures for yourselves! If you don't you're spiritually sloppy and/or careless.

"We have the Bible for a reason, not studying it is a sin, period" ... If you say you love God but do NOT read and study His word, you are willfully unteachable.



-- Edited by wordworker at 10:23, 2008-07-13

Jason ... most of us here do NOT like Bentley or the things he teaches/preaches.  That is exactly why he made the "front page" of this website.  All of the "preachers" or "teachers" with articles posted about them have questionable practices that the moderator and most of the post-ers here believe have led a lot of people into error and that must be corrected.  We Christians are told to warn those who are in danger and that is what this site tries to do.
You need to be more discerning of the overall tennor of this board before you go throwing around accusations of carelessness, spiritual sloppiness or willful unteachableness!

Thanks for posting the articles Bob. I have tried to watch Bently live on God tv but can't watch an entire "meeting". When I have tried my spirit becomes, not fearful, but anxious. The words I hear in my spirit are telling me our Lord is standing and simply wating on his and our Father to say it is time Son, go harvest those who have been called and responded with their love and obedience for you. The way is truely narrow.

well put.

Ive heard Bentley mention Jesus, give glory to Jesus, praise Jesus, it was all about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, and all that good stuff.  Im not a bentley follower per-say I just recently heard about him, don't care to much for the way he looks.  I do think he is sincere and not trying to be fake, I heard some of his podcast and preaching and he seems to be in the word, but then again I'll leave it up to everyone else to say otherwise.  Its just easier to critisize to justify our spiritual dryness and lack of revelation.  Not saying that anyone here is doing that.

Ive heard people say that he was demon possessed, and say that the things happening were not of God.  I think that take far more guts than Im willing to have.

Me and a couple of friends drove down there to check it out.  It was ok, Ive felt God spirit move more praying on my own, but whatever.  We were touring Flordia and decided to check it out.  It was cool and fun to do something different.  I didn't leave filled with the devil, or changed that much, it was just another service for me.... Should it be avoided?......Save your money and stay home, thats all i have to say about it.

I've read some articles in which it is stated that Mr. Bently converses with an angel by the name of Emma who floats accross the floor in these visits. This seems more than odd to me. I've also read Mr. Bently was instructed by Emma that this revival was to highlight angels and miracles in order to strengthen believers faith. This also seems more than odd to me as it is another gospel which we were and are warned will come in the last days. I've watched some of the video and I know my God is no author of confussion nor does he growl.

I have no problem with the appearance of Mr. Bently whatsoever. I believe firmly in the first warning Jesus gave when asked about the end times...Matthew 24:4"Take heed that no one decieves you." In 24:23 Jesus said, "Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ! or There!' do not believe it.  For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or Look, He is in the inner rooms! do not believe it.

Mr. Bently has not stated that Christ was there, but troubling to me is that I have heard him say people should come to the revival for "the annointing is here." Maybe I'm stretching it, but that does not agree with my spirit.

Glad you took time to research Todd Bentley. Maybe you should research the people whose lives were permanently changed because they were healed from MS by the power of God at the FL meetings...or some of the people in the streets nearby that were saved and gave their lives to Christ from the power of the meetings. The fruit seems to be good. Some people show up to these and get carried away in the emotion, but oh well...their doing. Maybe we should have more faith in Gods Spirit to lead us than the enemies ability to deceive. Last time i checked Jesus said "all authority has been given to me..." that means someone else has none. In the Bible God spoke and some only heard thunder and dismissed it. If my Gods moving or speaking, i don't want to miss it.
Blessings.