I believe he said that he "leg pressed" 270 pounds. Which would be more credible. Me being 5'4" and probably 120 soak and wet could leg press 270 pounds. Mind you it would only be one press...lol. God bless you all, and thank you for this website and this forum.
I don't know much about him as I've stated I do not watch any of them. On the prophecy thing I find it un-Biblical that we as Christians let anyone who claims to be a prophet of God back into any church when they are found to have made false prophecies, and it only takes one. I know there are those who would say, but if they repent God will forgive them. True but if this was OT days they would be dead so there would never be a chance they would utter another false prophecy or allowed opportunity to repent. Yet we allow them chance after chance when they should not be given any.
Just a quck note then I will answer moe when I get a little time. First:
Pat Robertson certainly has the right Doctrine as far as Jesus' Salvation message, he just is a false prophet when it comes to prophesying. His spending methods and accountability are also questionable. Pat has made many false phrophecies thoughout the years. I do not agree with the idea that he is getting senile and making phrophesies that are not coming true. Pat is still in his right mind eve though he is getting aged. Listen to him talk on his shows and news interveiws shows that he is ok in that area. To excuse it off as getting senile is just making an excuse for him being wrong. That is just my opinion tho. Here is a little info to read which supports how I feel. Mr. Robertson brought further disgrace to the Church and himself when "The Virginia Dispatch" newspaper in Virginia Beach , home of The 700 Club, ran a front-page headline article stating that the Governor of Virginia would quash any indictment of Robertson by the Attorney General of that state. The governor felt that an indictment of Robertson would not profit the state of Virginia . But, the Attorney General felt that Mr. Robertson had violated the laws of the state by using monies donated for the relief efforts of Operations Blessing were used improperly to move Mr. Robertson's diamond mining equipment out of harms way due to the regional troubles in Rwanda . The Attorney General believed he had enough evidence to bring an indictment thus prompting the governor's preemptive action. But this is not the first time the world has noticed that Mr. Robertson has used monies contributed by CBN (Christin Broadcasting Network) or the 700 Club, which is ultimately from the saints. He has yet to explain how millions of dollars found their way into his and his son's control after the 1992 sale of the International Family Entertainment, parent company of the Family Channel to media mogul Rupert Murdoch. This type of practice concerns me greatly regarding spending of monies brought into his care by way of God's people. Once the money comes in Pat must acknowledge that the money is now God's money and not his. This is imperative of all Ministris and their leaders. As for Prophesing, here are a couple things to notice: Pat Robertson of The 700 Club fame has once again prophesied wrongly! This time in an interview on CNN, Mr. Robertson reversed himself on a prophecy given in January of 2004. In that prophecy Mr. Robertson declared the Mr. Bush would win re-election "in a walk" and added, " I really believe I'm hearing from the Lord its going to be a blowout." But yesterday he admitted that this prophecy was not the Lord speaking but his own thoughts. Mr. Robertson stated in the interview, "I thought it was gong to be a blowout, but I think its razor thin." A true Prophet of God does not go back and correct himself. He can IF GOD directs him to do so, Prophecy that God has now directed a new direction. That is different than correcting oneself. God from what we know had all intentions of having Moses enter the promised land but when Moses struck the rock God made a new directive. That is God's right to do so, but not ours concerning God's Word. Here is another fals prophesy made by Robertson. On May 17, 700 Club host Pat Robertson once again warned viewers of "vicious hurricanes" and a possible tsunami after announcing on May 8: "I go away at the end of each year to pray, and if I heard the Lord right about 2006, the coasts of America will be lashed by storms." On the May 17 edition of the Christian Broadcasting Network show, Robertson said, "Well, ladies and gentlemen, I have felt strongly that the coasts are going to be lashed by vicious hurricanes this year. Also, there may well be something as bad as a tsunami up in the Pacific Northwest." Robertson then told viewers that "we're positioning supplies in California. We've got supplies positioned in Florida. We'll have others, and, of course, we have a major presence in the Gulf right now." Now maybe I am naive but for Pat to say "if I heard the Lord right". What kind of talk is that. A man of his years and learning knows better. That to me is his way of getting out of something if it does not come true. Either he heard from God or he never. Anyway.....guess I made a short note long. Sorry about that. That is my stance tho. :) Sorry for the spelling. Am working at same time
-- Edited by bobw at 12:23, 2007-11-08
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I used to watch CBN on occassion and never had a problem with Pat. I have to admit I haven't watched it or any other Christian tv in a long time and don't on purpose. Many years ago, prob at least 15 or more, a member of the church where I attend had a terrible accident where her arms, neck and face were severely burned. God healed her and to look at her today you would never know it happened. CBN did a story on her and that is how far back it has been since I have watched their show. As for the prosperity thing. To me any of those things Jesus or any of his disciples taught aside from the gospel are benefits God gives to us. Similar to having benefits where we work. The problem to me is that many have taken some of those benefits and given them equal footing with the gospel. I also believe many of God's benefits we seek in earthly form are instead to be sought for our spiritual growth. Seeking them in earthly form may be to show us of our deep seeded selfishness i.e. John 15:16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. While true Jesus stated this, what should the desire of my heart be? To have him in fulness within me. Knowing that, my asking should be for more of him and less of me as scripture points out.
I agree with you, Joyce. He has made some statements in recent years that I instantly thought were derived from senility. The statements were still damaging to Christianity in the world's eyes, however. I think we're beginning to see a diminished role for him at CBN and I think it's a good thing for CBN and Christianity in general. CBN does seem to "flirt" with the Prosperity Doctrine (which I do not adhere to,) but they never seem to buy into it completely. With a few minor exceptions, I think that CBN has had a pretty admirable 40+ years of great ministry.
I try not to think too harshly about Pat Robertson. I believe that he started out on the right road but after reading some of the things he says in his book "The Secret Kingdom" (at first published as "Secrets of the Kingdom") I have to wonder if he isn't "dancing with the devil" even if he hasn't fully signed on yet. While I won't go into detail here a lot of Word of Faith stuff is definitely mixed into his doctrines. Even so, I think his major problems lately are caused by (or related to) his advancing age and (maybe) even a touch of Alzheimer's. After all, to claim one can bench press (I believe he claimed 270 pounds) at his age is sad ... he has also made other statements that seem out of character with his established personality. Anyway, these are my ideas and Robertson (along with a lot of other people who do similar things) makes me glad that I'm not God and I don't have to make the final decision.
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To start things off, let me first say that I wholeheartedly support the spirit of this website ministry. I applaud you, Bob, for bringing heresy to light perpetuated by "wolves in sheep's clothing." There are plenty of them out there and their doctrine should be critiqued. However, when it comes to Pat Robertson and CBN, I must respectfully disagree. The article you posted is completely devoid of heretical teachings and instead focuses on alliances they have seemingly made, business practices, and salaries paid. I'll address them one at a time. First is the lack of any heretical teachings. While I don't agree with every doctrine taught by Mr. Robertson and CBN, I have yet to hear anything on the 700 Club or seen anything posted on their website that I would consider heretical. They are right on track with salvation, the Trinity, and instruction on how to live the Christian life. This means that they are a truly "Christian" ministry. In light of this fact, I think that they deserve the benefit of the doubt as brothers in Christ. Second, the article contends that they have made alliances with Benny Hinn and Rodney Howard Browne. I agree that these two are likely the "wolves" that Forgotten Word seeks to expose. Pat Robertson apparantly does not agree and that is his perrogative. It should be noted, however, that he doesn't go as far as teaching their heresy himself. Thrid, their business practices. There is one thing that I like about the liberal media: They work very hard to bring down Christian ministers, and while it's not always warranted, they work as useful idiots when it comes to corruption among ministries. I feel pretty confident that if the allegations made in the article were true, it would have been exposed in the media and prosecuted by the government. Also, CBN willingly submits their accounting practices to the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability. This is a Christian watchdog group that works to ensure that ministries are held accountable. Most of the "wolves" will not submit to them. In light of this fact, I feel confident that CBN is honest to their supporters as to what their money is used for. The final issue I take is this website's stance on money and ministers' salaries. A minister's doctrine and spiritual walk are to be scrutinized and Forgotten Word and others do a good job at exposing these errors. However, I don't believe that a person's income level, whether rich or poor, is a measure of their godliness. Money itself is neither good nor bad. It is how it is used and one's relationship with it that count. The LOVE of money is the sin and rich and poor alike are prone to this problem. I think that we are in error when we judge a person's spirituality based on their income level. Today, just as in biblical times, people tend to believe that poor people must not have enough faith if they are struggling, but the other side of that coin is that it seems that now we also decide that if someone is rich that they have an unholy "love of money." This is not always the case, and how would we presume to know someone's heart? If you see a rich person living lavishly, how do you know that they aren't living that way on 10% of their income and giving 90% away? When I give to a ministry, I believe that I am giving to God through them. If they mishandle God's money, God will see to it they are punished. I think it's wrong for us to worry about it.
