Frankly, if the Republicans keep fielding "republicrats" and the Democrats keep fielding "demoblicans" I think I'll vote for Jesus. At least my vote will go to someone I can trust!
And heaven knows there is not ANY WAY IN THE WORLD I would vote for Hilary! She's the only Cubs fan I know who has "always been a Yankees fan!"
You can't believe anything she says because, like many politicians, she says whatever is expedient at the time she is saying it.
-- Edited by wordworker at 20:11, 2007-11-26
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"I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to His holy people." Jude 3 Joyce
I know Paul, ain't it a shame? I know he is trying to get the evangelical vote by rubbing those elbows, but aren't we not to comprimise what we believe? Looks like it's time to dust off my trusty flipping coin and see whom I shall vote for. lol Wonder what happens in the voting booth if when I flip my coin it stands on end?
Hi All, and Happy Holidays to all. I'm really torn with the players on this election. It's gonna be a tuff term for the next one, inheriting all the headaches and heartaches put in motion by the current administration. I think Hillary has the edge mainly because she is a stark difference to the current ways, and her last name helps. I was really liking Huckabee, his Christian values that he's not shy about, he has a good wit, and seems to be the most honest of the bunch, but now he is rubbing elbows with Ken Copeland, and that tosses a flag up with me.
I honestly do not know what to think as far as who the winner will be in the general election. I believe that Hillary has the best shot at it but I do pray that she doesn't win. I do not believe in women being in those types of positions just as I do not believe that women should be preachers or Sunday School teachers. I am what you may call old fashioned in that sense but I believe the men of the world should step up and act as God intended them to. They should be the leaders. I do not believe the Lord will honor our county as He has in the past ifwe continue on our downward trend. We as a country have chosen to turn away from the Lord's leading and it is really starting to show. The sins of our nation are are multiplying rapidly the last few decades. If you look at the past with an open mind you will see the trend has been to turn from Godly values to man values and that can lead only to distruction. Again, I am not sure who will win but I pray it be a man who will look to the Lord for guidance in his decisions.
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Stepping in to help somone in trouble is noble and I would do the same. Although I am not 6'4" I am liscensed for concealed carry and do on many occassions where permitted to. However, Jesus over threw the money changers tables and drove them out not for mistreating those there, but because Matthew 21:13 And He said to them, It is written, My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of thieves. Listen, I fully agree, abortion is wrong, if the government ever reverses it, great! I have written several letters to our local paper on this issue. God's Word to us tells us the world will spiral worse and worse as the time of his return nears. Matthew 24:9-13 Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My names sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Follow me on this. The battle that rages is a spiritual one. Our adversary is using everything he can to cause believers to fall away. By attacking the unborn I believe he thinks he can so distract us that we forget our calling and become diverted into championing a just cause in the physical world and ignoring the true battle which is in the heavenly's. Abortion is nothing less than murder (death) which is the opposite of life (Christ). What is sin to you and I? Death. What is Christ? Life. Our adversary is attacking those who are unable to James 4:7 "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." Why? Because he doesn't want them to grow to realize who he is and possibly follow Jesus, also because he hates our Lord. Those unborn have a champion who is far greater at defending them than you and I. Matthew 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Our problem is we want him to do it now and God has his time and everything is in it's proper place as he wills it. Those murdered through abortion will have their vengeance and it will be God himself who delivers it to those guilty. Those little one's have endured to the end and are saved.
I disagre... I think He expects us to stand up against injustice inflicted upon others. I am 6'4" and 250 lbs. I believe that if I see violence taking place I am to put a stop to it. An elderly person being robbed, a woman being raped, a child being bullied, etc. Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek when it comes to ouselves, but He also stood up for people being taken advantage of by the meneychangers. I think the Bible as a whole teaches us to defend the weak, and you can't get much weaker and more defenseless than an unborn child.
I agree that abortion is wrong but...there was an innocent man who was put to death for being a teacher and healer. Although the courts had proven him innocent he suffered numerous beatings, humiliations and the death sentence. Even though it is hidious to me that unborn children are brutely put to death through abortions, their suffering does not compare to that of our Lord. He has account of each one and will give just harvest for each abortion seed sown. We are to pick up our cross daily and follow Jesus. Murder of the unborn should not be, yet it is the system of the world. A world we are to be separate from. God does not require we change the world, what he does require is...surrender to him.
Abortion is a violation of another individual's right to live life. It should be banned. If I wrote the law banning it, however, I would allow a provision in cases where the baby endangers the life of the mother. I personally believe that if I were a woman, I would have the child even if I had to give my own life to do so. However, I don't believe that we should foist this personal conviction on others facing the same tough decision. Abortion is murder, plain and simple and it should be stopped.
I see your point. That being the case why do we believers vote our Christian conscience? Isn't that in a sense attempting to manipulate man's system by hopefully electing someone with Christian values who will use those values to better society? In a round about way the issues are one in the same. If we don't mind those in office allowing gay marriage, what is our objection to allowing abortion? In either case Jesus would not have worried about it, as you say, and I agree, his goal was to change one heart at a time and let the world do its thing.
You're right, Sojouner, it will. So has gambling, pornography, premarital sex, offensive song lyrics, adultery, gluttony, every false religion, and so on. Sin affects society. My point is, Jesus' way of dealing with it was not to run for a seat in the Roman Senate. He sought to change people's hearts and so should we.
I know this got us off of the voting topic but all you need to do to see what gay marriage will do in this country is observe San Francisco. Sooner or later the open acceptance of gay marriage WILL affect this country. Anyone who feels so strongly about voting a Christian conscience should also see the danger of openly allowing, and supporting those things God's Word so strongly condemns.
I said, "Everything should be legal in America unless it infringes on someone else's freedoms." Gay marriage does not infringe on any freedom that you or I have. Of course, we DO have the freedom to be discrimantory in who we hire to run our churches. Pastors are fired all of the time for things like adultery and other moral and ethical violations. This should be protected. Do you believe that all sexual immorality should be illegal, or just gay marriage? Imagine if we locked up everyone who engaged in premarital sex, adultery, or used pornography. In fact, Jesus said that if you lust you have committed adultery. So any person with a lustful thought should be prosecuted. Homosexuality is sin and no different than any other sexual immorality. We should not legislate our values on other citizens, but instead win them to Christ. I know that this is more work and less convenient, but I think it is what Jesus would do. When the woman was caught in adultery and brought to Him, this is the approach that He had. He won her heart. I strongly believe that the "Moral Majority" has done more to alienate the lost world and create an even greater divide between them and us.
Gay marriage usually is part of a larger package outlawing discrimination against gays putting them on an equal footing with other races. THAT makes all those things relevant to gay marriage.
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"I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to His holy people." Jude 3 Joyce
But if gay marriage is legalized it brings up all sorts of problems for Christian organizations, Saint. What about The Salvation Army? They've already had to face down the gay movement in SanFrancisco concerning hiring and insuring gay workers. Do you want to have a legal battle on your hands if your church refuses to hire an open homosexual? I don't see how you can NOT see the danger in your viewpoint. As for who will be president, probably Hillary. Not because she has such "great" support, but because like James Dobson I'm voting for an anti-abortion person even if I have to write him in. Even if that means a foul person gains office because my Christianity won't let me vote for someone who supports the murder of innocent unborns. I do what's right ... then I let God control the outcome. I believe if everyone did that we'd have more Christian victories and fewer defeats for morality.
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"I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to His holy people." Jude 3 Joyce
Hillary will most likely win. I vote my Christian and conservative political values. My Christian beliefs for politics in America are different than my beliefs as to how the Christian life is to be led. For example, I believe that homosexuality is most definately a sin. However, I am against a Constitutional ammendment banning gay marriage. I do not believe that Jesus would vote for legislation that forces people to follow His will. I believe that in America, you should be free to do absolutely anything you want to do UNLESS it infringes on someone else's freedoms. I vote by this principle. I will vote for Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, or Duncan Hunter in the primaries. My prediction is that none of these will win and we will be stuck choosing between Hillary and Guliani in the general election. I will not vote for either. To me, a vote for Hillary is a vote for immediate destruction and a vote for Guliani is a vote for a slower, more agonizing death. If these are the choices, I will vote 3rd party. I think many conservatives will vote 3rd party, especially if a strong candidate comes out. This will cause Hillary to win, and that's okay. I think America needs to see what a true liberal will do to this country and next time around, maybe we can actually get a true conservative elected.
I am an optimist by nature but for some reason I feel as though God is about to allow a President fitting of how America has turned our backs on him. If by nothing other than believers silence as to the moral decay of our country. There are also many who have a form of godliness who have contributed to this. Mrs. Cinton would be my guess as to winning. My vote will go to Mitt or Fred if either has the nom. Although a Mormon Mitt at least seemingly has moral character as does Fred. Please note I said "seemingly". Whoever is the next President may see times that pale in comparrison when compared with history. Why I say that I have no idea.
Regardless of how you answered the poll, who do you honestly think will be the next U.S. President and do you agree that it is the right winner for the Nation as a whole?
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