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prayingdavid · Newbie

RE: adultery in the church

EmbracedbyJesus · Active Member

   Let's get back to the issue here. An unknown woman came on about an unknown man who seems to be unrepentant. At this point she did what she was supposed to by confronting her husband first. Seeing that he didn't repent she was right in going to the other leaders. However, that seemed to have backfired.
   So what now? She needs to pray! Pray and fast hard for God's leading in this most hurtful sin he is committing.
   IF he is truly abusive she might consider separating from him to actually protect him. She could tell him, "Because I love you I have to separate myself from you to keep you from ruining your reputation. I don't want you to be known as an abuser. If and when you get help and it's time for me to be included in the counseling sessions I'll attend. When the counselor deems it the right time to live together again I'll move back."
   Of course this hurt lady needs to seek God's will. His will trumps all. Even Peter mentions that it is better to suffer for what you've done right than to suffer when you've done wrong. She has to make certain she doesn't run to sin in her pain and anger. This is NOT easy. My heart goes out to her.
   It's tough being in a no win situation at this point. But God is the Victor and He is the one who will execute His vengeance at His own timing. He desires that noone perishes and He does hold those who are teachers/preachers more accountable. He will deal with her husband and his sin.

yeshua'slove · Active Member

You first of all have all biblical rights to seperate I suggest you find a way of doing this. I know you said finicially your not in a position. Maybe family can help you get your own rental place. then poceed to let him know finically he must help you or you will retain a lawyer. Listen G-d does hate divorce but equally he hates adultry, lust perversion. The reason I suggested seperation it might take you stepping out of the way for G-d to deal with his heart.And by the way if there is going to be a reconciliation he must proven he's trust worthy to recieve your affection again that's in the furture. If you continue to accept his lifestyle you are an inabaler.

Next it's only a suggestion if he's in a major demonation take it to the top and require them to hold him accountable and pay for you to get counseling. For instance if he was in ASG you could on no uncertain terms let them take him out of the ministry or politely tell them you will rent a flashing light billboard and adervertise freedom of speech that they condone this behavior. Likewise if it's an independant church give them the same ultimatium no compromise.

You will need a strong female sister in christ to go with you to deal with these issues. Likewise if you retain a lawyer do your homework. Even though your violated lawyers and men stick together I refer to it as the adultrous mens club. No matter what he's done you will find if your lawyer is a male he will let your husband off the hook and not pursue it as he should even though your paying him a service.

Next if they were in NC they both could be sued for defamation of character. It happens quite often here.As far as proven adultry you can hire a PI or you can the next time you think he's been out or intimate with her collect his/hers DNA on his underware it's less expensive than a private investigator he need's to be took out of the ministry.....period....no if ands or buts.....did I hear you correctly 16yrs of adultry ..He obiviously did not care what G-d thinks

Some people might think the things I've said is harsh but he needs harsh measures took against him...quickly...before his soul winds up in Hell....Some time it takes tough love to wake a person up.....

Remember you are to be as harmless as a dove and as wise as a serpent

UNFORNATELY alot of churches have just slapped adultrous behavior on the hand and not held it accountable. I will pray for you and him and the church body you attend my dear one. I will very much ask G-d specifically for strenght to you Have a blessed day weirdface

ROUGHNECK · Newbie

To the original poster:

Hire a Private Investigator and get him to determine if your husband is doing the wild thing with others. Then sue him for divorce. Adultery is just cause for divorce.

Then sue him for half of his assets and you can manage your own affairs.

If you want to follow the rules of the church, then you can take your evidence to the leadership and tell them that you are suing for divorce and then divorce him in a court of law.

That is what should be done. If he comes begging for forgiveness, forgive him, but sue him for divorce and half the assets.

-- Edited by ROUGHNECK at 16:18, 2008-04-17

Chris · Veteran Long Time Friend of the Ministry

wordworker wrote:

Chris
Yes ... you did. But the whole quote is, "Be ye angry and sin not. Let not the sun go down on your wrath."
In other words, as humans we might get angry but we are to let GO of the anger quickly and not hold grudges or continue to harp on past hurts.
Hmmmmmmmm

you think I didn't know about that last part of that verse? haha, anyway, we had an excellent service tonight, I feel renewed and ready to seek the face of God even further!! believe me, I don't have time for grudges, why would I let a grudge hold me down? Are you serious? A grudge is to heavy of a load to carry around to long, although I do wonder why I keep coming back here. haha I guess it is because I like talking about the word, and maybe straitening out a few wayward "saints" haha j/k

-- Edited by Chris at 23:28, 2008-04-15

wordworker · Lifelong Friend of the Ministry

Chris
Yes ... you did. But the whole quote is, "Be ye angry and sin not. Let not the sun go down on your wrath."
In other words, as humans we might get angry but we are to let GO of the anger quickly and not hold grudges or continue to harp on past hurts.
Hmmmmmmmm

Chris · Veteran Long Time Friend of the Ministry

bobw wrote:

I am amazed.

A trinity of questions requirering only ONE answer, God is One, haha and he seems amazed at the answer!

Chris · Veteran Long Time Friend of the Ministry

I do get angry sometime at the blatant ignorance and fear that plagues the church. The church wasn't build by men asking foolish questions, but men seeking with great anticipation the face of God and desiring to know the mysteries of the Kingdom. Having received such revelations of his glory gives me more joy than i can contain. (

Sometimes you have to think outside the box of tradition.

Unless peter asked the Lord, "bid me come!" he would have nevered walked on water, but it was this request that cause the son of God to answer such a plea, granting peter the ability to accomplish an impossible task.

I don't know why I said all this? I am pondering some questions that have come upon me of late, and I am thinking why i want to say to ya'll and I am watching the greatest story ever told. haha, my mind in going in different directions of thought.

OH BY THE WAY!

Be angry and sin not? Did i read that in the Bible or am I making that up? hummm?

bobw · administrator

I am amazed.

The Saint · Veteran Long Time Friend of the Ministry

Chris · Veteran Long Time Friend of the Ministry

I am Good

wordworker · Lifelong Friend of the Ministry

Why are you so angry? evileye

Chris · Veteran Long Time Friend of the Ministry

wordworker wrote:

I have no idea where the bombastic fulminations about women and gossip came from, but I assure you that women have no more tendency to gossip than men.
Through observation by researchers it has been proven that MEN actually spend more time gossiping that women do.
Now whatever you wish to do with that ... go for it. Just stop making women out to be weaker, stupider, meaner or less spiritual than men!

We all know from experience that this ISN'T true, I actually praised woman in my little article and show that we men can be the weaker vessel, and even rebuked the womans husband, but I guess you stopped before you got to that part.

I believe women are actually more spiritual than men....

Chris · Veteran Long Time Friend of the Ministry

If you guys really think I was being mean? THEN PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT ON THIS FORUM, because obviously, we have some weeds amongst us and their pompous and bombastic, idiosyncratic hypocracies and quirks causes me to queston their sanity. (I don't know how else to put it) look up the words

The Saint · Veteran Long Time Friend of the Ministry

Joyce, you've got to learn to ignore Chris.... It's the only way to keep one's brain from exploding. It's sad that he hasn't read Bob's exhortation to "be nice." I know, maybe I'm not being nice right now, but his angry attack on women offends me too. He's just a very angry person, probably because he doesn't know the one true TRIUNE God. We should pray for him.

wordworker · Lifelong Friend of the Ministry

I have no idea where the bombastic fulminations about women and gossip came from, but I assure you that women have no more tendency to gossip than men.
Through observation by researchers it has been proven that MEN actually spend more time gossiping that women do.
Now whatever you wish to do with that ... go for it. Just stop making women out to be weaker, stupider, meaner or less spiritual than men!

Chris · Veteran Long Time Friend of the Ministry

You women sure know how to stir up more trouble than needed. Is this a gossip board? Gossip is truly a flaw in the "psyche" or spirit of a woman, lol.

Psyche
2[Greek psych] a: soul, personality <the nation's consumer psyche D. J. Kevles> b: mind 2

I just coined a new quote, based on a

"Gossip is truly a flaw in the "psyche" of a woman"---Christopher Long

We men have a flaw, and sometimes I believe that ours are worst than the womans, because men are responsible for those under him. One single man can bring down a nation, church, or a movement. I recently told someone that I believe, if it wasn't for the women in the church, we probably wouldn't be here as a movement, because in an important way women have been the intercessors far more than men have. For instance, I know we believe that the catholic church is false, but if the pope was caught comminting a certian sin, it would bring down the entire catholic church as a whole, grant it, he would be replaced, but it would still hurt them. For God sakes! all the molestation that was commited by preist has destoryed them.
This womans husband who is commiting such an act as adultery 'IF' he is caught and exposed will hurt the lives of the many people he has influenced and lead these many years, so in effect a greater sin is being commited by him, because he is a "spiritual leader"!

If any man offends one of these little ones, it would be better that he hung a milstone about his neck and were cast into the sea.

I don't have my bible in front of me, but his act of adultery can destory the faith of a child, therefore he is commiting an abominable act! That is why feel for the sake of the children and others, she needs to be careful.

wordworker · Lifelong Friend of the Ministry

Have you ever heard of the book "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus"?
It tells about the differences between what a man wants from a relationship and what a woman wants.
One of the most important things to realize about that is that women who tell someone about some pain in their lives don't particularly want a solution ... they'll figure it out and they know that ... what they want is someone to listen and sympathize with them. To pray with them. To tell them they are supported in their grief.
Men WANT A SOLUTION AND WANT IT NOW.
She isn't wasting time ... she's doing exactly what God made her to do... seek the loving support of someone she trusts.

Chris · Veteran Long Time Friend of the Ministry

why dont she just hire a professional spy and then expose him. shes wasting time here.

wordworker · Lifelong Friend of the Ministry

JAK
There was very little strife on this site ... until you came along.
What does that tell you?

DjBiblical · Active Member

Say what you people wish. But the word says in
Proverbs 10:12:
"Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins. "

Prov 17:9
"He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth [very] friends."

End of discussion....say what you want...God doesn't need me to cover for what he already said!

The women is wrong to come on this site to blast her husband and her pastor!

wrs · Newbie

I am new here and I agree with woodworker.God does what god wants to.Number 2-Sorry for your loss of love and trust.Pray to Jesus for help first then waite for a response.Go out of town to another church and talk to a pastor who doesnt know you for help. Sorry for grammer. smile

wordworker · Lifelong Friend of the Ministry

You have shown yourself to be unloving, judgmental and critical of us who work so hard to warn others of dangerous false teachers.
And now you show yourself to be just as unloving, judgmental and critical of a woman who is in pain and reaching out for help. Shame on you Biblical!
She never "exposed" anyone ... she named no names and only wanted to have someone who understood her listen to her pain.
You don't attack someone who is wounded, you let them heal! If you can't understand that then you have no right to call someone else wrong.
And as for whether we, on this site, believe in the Supernatural ... you have no right to announce what we believe. You haven't been here long enough to know what we believe.
In fact, as far as I know every one of the posters I have read on here believe in the supernatural power of God to save, heal and change lives.

DjBiblical · Active Member

First of all let me tell you that...even though your husband has been committing adultery, coming on this site to tell people who don't know you, or your husband or speaking against him, isn't wise. Two wrongs don't make a right.
God specifically shows that, "The unbelieving husband (to me that is 'he doesn't believe in the ENTIRE Word of God) is sanctified by the wife,....by the chaste conduct (look at your conduct) of the wife..." Can you say you are
going to to get God to change your husband's sinful lifestyle? I would say, "NO" because rather than CALL out for God to "bind the unholy alliance" he alledgedly is having with YOUR pastor's wife, you come on here and complain, like this chat service is your platform to expose your husbad. This does nothing but get the devil all happy and laughing at the ENTIRE body of Christ. What your husband MAY be doing is WRONG...I don't CONDONE any sin, EVER! However since MANY ON THIS site DON'T believe in the SUPERNATURAL move of God...then ...>all you should do is PRAY for you Husband or LEAVE the abusive situation...DjB

Christian Commando · Great Friend of the Ministry

-- Edited by Christian Commando at 21:20, 2007-10-30

Paul · Active Member

This is such a painful account, I'm so sorry to hear this. (Please understand first that I'm not saying this is untrue, but someone can make this up and post it) If this is true, many biblical guidelines can be used for you to escape this situation, but start with prayer.

Just because someone claims to be a Christian does not mean that they in fact are. Jesus himself told us this is so. How can someone who claims to operate in the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit not show any of the fruits of the Holy Spirit? "...You will know them by their fruits..."

hadenuf · Newbie

My preacher husband and I have been married for 27yrs. He has been commiting adultery in the church with the co-pastors wife for 16yrs. Over the many years I have tried to address the problem with the leadership of the church and sister Jezebel and her husband but I was only made out to be the poor pastor's wife with a chemical inbalance and a mental physchotic problem and i was advised by the leadership of the church to see a physchiatrist. I was also told that i was demon possessed and needed deliverance. My husband suggested that i try to find some type of drug that would help me or that i should go on prozac. for 27yrs i was deprived of all financial support from him. i did not buy any clothes or go out to anywhere but just hibernated at home. he controled all finances and bought the food that he liked. this alley cat preacher came prowling in late every night from his sleeping around with Jezebel. i was demeaned demoralized and made to look like a fool. then after all these many years of floundering and wondering i bugged his phone. now i sit with all the sordid details of all their sexual exploits and perverse masturbations and phone sex. he is still having revivals. Judy jacobs and john kilpatrick from the brownsville revival church and many other tele evangelists were guest speakers. the church is a male dominated institution and all my appeals for help were scoffed at. he has all his paid hirelings who go with his flow. i want to expose this abomination that is being commited right in the house of God. please tell me what to do and how to go about doing it. idea