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gwnail-

If we remember the words of god thru Paul in I Cor. 3:11-15, we can understand, even tho we may deal with our "carnal nature"- (old sinful one), as a believer, we will sin, but, God will forgive, if as Sojourner states, we repent and seek forgiveness for them.

That our works, as a believer will be tried, and even if should burn and we lose treasures in Heaven, we shall still be saved.

But, as with the Hebrew Jews Paul spoke of in Hebrews 6:4-6, these were Hebrew Jews who had grown up first sacrificing animals, then changed over, while Christ was here, to believing in Him, thus had become True Children of God- vs 4-5, but, after christ left the earth for Heaven, they stopped believing in Christ and returned to sacrificing animals.

When this happened, now they have chosen to reject Salvation, because they put Jesus Christ to an open shame, thus now, showing they ould not be renewed unto repentance, having crucified to themselves, the Son of God afresh.

Thus, Any of God's Children can make the decision to walk away. But, for the most part, when a True child sins, the Holy Spirit will convict them about it and bring them to repentance. If should reject those promtings, God will eventually chastize them. If hardens thier heart and stays unrepentant, God will finally let them go to Satan and an early grave.

Check Old Test story of King Saul and that will explain it. He was called and annointed of God as King. Yet he saught a witch, turning against what he knew of God's Word. But, even after God chastized him more severely, Saul still saught the witch. It wasn't long till he killed himself after that. And... you'll not find hiom listed amongest the Old Test Patriarchs God gives thru New Test Apostles.

I pray this helps.

God Bless!!

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The view point I take is that God is the only one capable of knowing if we are "once saved always saved" or not, due to him knowing all. Being a believer I do commit sin each day and seek repentance when I do. Knowing that does not mean I loose my redemption or hope of salvation as a result of each sin committed. I do believe however if I choose to live in sin I will loose my promised salvation and mock the work of redemption Jesus paid for me. Does this mean we can sin as we please as long as we repent? No. From what the apostles wrote this would not be a wise thing to do.

-- Edited by Sojourner at 13:09, 2007-11-05

-- Edited by Sojourner at 13:10, 2007-11-05

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I came out of a denomination that teaches that one can lose their salvation. For years I struggled with this doctrine and to make a long story short I came to the end of myself and gave up. I could not seem to quit sinning in some way or another thereby constantly loosing my salvation.

What a horrible way to live the Christian life I thought so I gave up. The bondage to my sin was too great for me to bear. However, praise God, He did not give up on me.

He showed me that the truth is in His Word and the "truth" truly set me free!

Yes, once you are truly saved you are eternally saved else it is not eternal and our salvation is of works if it depends on what we do or do not do. Those who would decide to turn away never did truly know the truth. What idiot would exchange heaven for hell? Only those who do not really know the God of the Bible. They only know the god they have created in their own mind (which is idolatry and a false god).

There is absoulutely way too much scripture to prove this so I will post some links on the subject.

The most important thing I discovered in my study of the so called problem passages is that one must keep them in context of scripture. Scripture will interpret scripture if you search for the truth even if it does not make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

Check out the 3 messages by Brother David Cloud on this critical subject.

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=121902101120

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=121902101553

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=121902102222

God blesses seekers of His truth!

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Hi people, mind if I share a point or two?

God declares, as in Hebrews, that a Child of His can taste of the enlightenment and of the world to come and more, yet, if he should crucify to himself, the Son of God afresh and put Him to an open shame, this person cannot be renewed unto repentance.

God speaks of how someone can come to belong to Him. If the person starts to stray, He will chastize them. But, if harden thier heart, God will then eventually turn them over to Satan and an early grave.

Check out the part of the story of King Saul of Old Test fame. He was chosen and appointed by God and belonged to Him. Yet, after Saul started to seek that witch for future info, God warned him. Saul didn't listen and did it again. God allowed Samuel to appear to him and chew him for for this. Then, Saul died a premature death.

Note- Read the New Test Scriptures where all the Old Test Patriarch's are listed. King Saul is not included. Plus, I believe it was Apostle Paul who spoke of Saul's transgressions against God and the results.

So.... yes, man can choose to walk aay from God and lose his Salvation.

But, remember, God speaks of the "Falling away from the faith". Now, this is understood two ways- 1- Christ's story of the sower and the seed- (seed whih falls and rough ground, where at first it springs up, but dies off shortly after).

2- Heb. 6:4-6 and King Saul. The first, shows there will be people who had belonged to God, but proven never really of Him, for when trial or temptation came, they fell away.

Where the other group just plain decides to intentionally go against God and turn from Him. One is weak, the other does not care.

But, you can't fall away "from the faith", unless you once belonged to it.

No other can pluck a Child of God out of His Hand, yet we can choose to walk away ourselves.

God Bless!!

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smile Sojourner ~
Of course that happens, but just as YOU know from experience that that happens, I know that a person can be "truly saved" as you put it and then walk away from God.
God isn't going to force us to go to heaven if we decide we don't want to.
And being "truly saved" isn't the end of the walk, it's the beginning. We need to walk DAILY with our God and continually strive to be closer to Him and more like Him and if we aren't doing that, then we may be "playing church" or we may just be spiritually lazy ... either way we need to seek revival for ourselves.  I don't mean "LORD SWEEP THIS AREA WITH REVIVAL!"  I mean, "Lord, search ME O God and know my thoughts. See if there be any wicked way IN ME."

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Could it also be that someone who claims to be saved for years was never truely saved when found to be living in sin? I ask this from experience. My brother proclaimed to be a believer for many years, active in church and in the late 90's declared God had called him into ministery. He quit his job, went to a Baptist sem and became an ordained Baptist minister. He Pastored two different churches. He became insnarled in sin which led to him beng arrested and having to serve some time. Through this it has become clear that his problem has been going on for years and after thinking back concerning those years there were signs that no one saw. My thoughts are that he never was truely saved. To me there is no way someone who understands repentance and salvation can live a double life.

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We are eternally secure in Jesus Christ ... as long as we want to be. In a very precious passage that defines the difference between a sinner and a saint, Jesus says, (John 9:34 & 35) "... Everyone who sins is a slave of sin. A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son is part of the family forever."
What a promise! Not only that we are God's children forever once adopted, but also that our loved ones who seem permanently mired in sin are NOT PERMANENTLY IN BONDAGE!"
In John 10:28, Jesus says, "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them away from me." (These are from the New Living Translation).
Even so, it doesn't say we can't WALK away from God.
God is a gentleman. If we choose to rebel against Him God is never going to force us to stay.
I think it takes a conscious decision on our part to walk away from His love whether it's an announcement, "That's it! I'm done! I'm not going to be a Christian anymore!" Or whether it's a series of "small" refusals to be obedient to His leading.
But if our every waking heartbeat cries, "closer to Him!" then why do we need to concern ourselves with whether we can sin and still be saved? The normal state for every Christian should be exactly that ... a cry to be closer to Jesus not a cry to see how far from Him we can wander and still make it through the pearly!
If your heart's cry isn't "closer to Him!" then isn't it time to dig a little deeper and begin to seek His face and cry out for your own personal revival?

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Here goes from a guy who attended a Southern Baptist college for 3 full years. I disagree with most Baptists on this issue. I agree with Paul. I would say, however, that I don't think we can "lose" our salvation. We have to give it back. We must make a conscious decision that we no longer want it. We cannot wake up one day unsaved because we sinned too much. Satan cannot snatch us away. In addition to the verse that Paul used, I would add that the NT says that our bodies are the temple of the Spirit. Think about that when you read the OT and what it has to say about the Spirit leaving the Temple. (Ezekiel, etc.)

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this does seem to be a hot topic with many. I say yes, in a sense. Hence the idea of Falling away. If you couldn't "fall away", it wouldn't be an issue.
That may be an oversimplified way of looking at it, but I don't get "long winded" in forums. I don't think that making mistakes actually jeopardize our salvation, we will always be in battle with sin until it's over. Like the bumper sticker says (I hate reducing these ideas to bumper stickers, but...) I'm not perfect, just forgiven. I think Falling away would be "following other Gods, rejecting Christ, etc. He won't drag us "kicking and screaming to Heaven against our will". If we make the choice to Live apart from him, he will grant our wish after this life.

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I get a lot of emails concerning this topic.  What are your opinions concerning Once Saved Always Saved?  Can a person lose their salvation by turning away from God/Jesus and turning to a life of constant sin and apostasy against the Lord?

-- Edited by bobw at 22:28, 2007-03-30

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